Nissan Rogue Forum

Mistergib · #31 (**permalink**) 05-19-2008, 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pescakl1

Thanks again both of you, You are a big help from someone like me who tries to preserve his car without paying too much (in fact paying the right amount), and tries to pollute the less possible.

I did not understand why in the US you were allowed 7.500 miles and us, canadians, only 6.000 kms (= about 3.730 miles). That's because I did not read everything

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If you do mainly highways in temperate conditions, you can go 7.500 miles or 6 months in the US and 12.000 kms ( about 7.460 miles) or 6 months in Canada. That is called Schedule 2 in the manual.

Now, that makes more sense: I will take about 5 months to go 12.000 kms and stay under warranty.
Since I am on conventional oil right now, and it is the first oil of the car, I will make do the maintenance at 6.000 kms, but I will go with synthetic oil (or a "false" synthetic one depending of the price) to be able to go the 12.000 kms, which brings the next change at the beginning of the winter

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With a blackstone check at 8.000 kms to be sure not to do a stupid thing, I should be good to go.

Thanks again to help me understand how it works.
As always, I understand fast but I need to be explained many times

...you're no different than us, you know things
we don't...glad we could help.

Mistergib · #32 (**permalink**) 05-21-2008, 11:03 AM

ok...after doing a bunch of reading....I've settled
on my plan of attack....

I'm gonna go ahead and use the Amsoil 5w30 that
I just bought, run it for the 7500 miles, then I will
change it out and start using Royal Purple 5w30.

Mobil1 being a Group III synthetic, Amsoil being a
Group IV synthetic, and Royal Purple being a
Group V synthetic. Royal Purple is touted as
performing "..very well.." as long as its changed at
the recommended 7500 mile interval, and, its
cheaper per quart than the Amsoil.

So rather than pay the higher price and run the
extended service Amsoil, that I would be changing
at the 7500 mile limit anyway to maintain the
warranty, and, also maybe running a risk of
shortening my converter life(?), I will use the Royal
Purple instead....give me the best of both worlds.

And keep in mind, this is IMHO.....this is NOT a
recommendation, it's simply what I have chosen to
do...(not wanting to start a conflict here...)

Pescakl1 · #33 (**permalink**) 05-21-2008, 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mistergib

I'm gonna go ahead and use the Amsoil 5w30 that I just bought, run it for the 7500 miles, then I will change it out and start using Royal Purple 5w30.

What kind of Amsoil 5w30 did you get? The XL synthetic oil (grey bottle) or the SAE synthetic oil (silver bottle)? Are they API conform?

By the way, is it possible to buy Amsoil products in store or only by correspondance?
I cannot find anystore around me who dealed Amsoil products.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mistergib

Mobil1 being a Group III synthetic, Amsoil being a
Group IV synthetic, and Royal Purple being a
Group V synthetic. Royal Purple is touted as
performing "..very well.." as long as its changed at
the recommended 7500 mile interval, and, its
cheaper per quart than the Amsoil.

I thought that Mobil1 Extended Performance is a Group IV synthetic oil, the other Mobil1 products are not true synthetic oils. Am I wrong?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mistergib

And keep in mind, this is IMHO.....this is NOT a
recommendation, it's simply what I have chosen to
do...(not wanting to start a conflict here...)

Understood, but it is always interesting how each of us deals with his/her car, thanks for sharing.

To tell you the truth, I have a similar game plan as yours, maybe a little bit less ambitious quality wise however.

I plan to move to synthetic oil at the next oil change, either the XL Amsoil 5w30 or any 'false' synthetic oil I will find at the store (Mobil1, Castrol, Pennzoil or Valvoline), and run it for 12.000kms (about your 7.500 miles).
Since I do mainly highways, it should not bring any problem and an oil analysis at about 8.000kms should tell me if I can go further or not.

Then I plan to move to full synthetic oil, either the SAE Amsoil 5w30, the Mobil1 EP or any GroupIV synthetic oil I can find.

I was planning to go for the EaO nanofiber oil filter with my next oil change but I will probably go for a standard one once more and move to the Amsoil filter at the next one because I want to keep it for two oil changes (about one year or 24.000 kms). So I'd rather clean my oil system first with the 'false' synthetic oil in a standard filter and use the nanofiber filter with the full synthetic oil (and doing that, I will put a new oil filter at the start of every winter which sounds better also).

Mistergib · #34 (**permalink**) 05-21-2008, 04:58 PM

I got the Amsoil ASL 5w30 fully synthetic....it
does say on the bottle that its API rated. I have
not seen Amsoil available other than internet or an
Amsoil distributor. I ordered from the internet.

I do not know about the Mobil1 EP being in
Group IV ...what I've read is that Mobil1 as a
whole is Group III, it doesn't differentiate the EP
from the others, it says all Mobil1 oils??...so, it
could be, I just don't know and it doesn't say
that?

RE: All Mobil1 oils are G3 fake synthetic - Off Topic

Squid · #35 (**permalink**) 05-21-2008, 07:25 PM

Did you read that last post in the supplied thread from the dakota site?

Here's some that caught my attention.

Quote:

2nd.

" Beware of the blank spot for the %zinc on Amsoil.

The facts are as follows:

1. Amsoil products, other than the XL-7500 line, cannot
be API certified because the level of ZDDP exceeds
the API limits which results in too much phosphorus.
This is not in dispute, Amsoil stated this. See:

An oil question - alt.hi-po.mopars | Google Groups
2. The API limit on the amount of ZDDP was put in place
because the phosphorus in the ZDDP shortens the life
of the catalytic converter; the more ZDDP the shorter
the life of the catalytic converter.
Is That Additive Really A Negative?
"http://www.mixoil.com/ge_info.htm" scroll down to "Antiwear-EP (I couldn't get this link to work)

................................................

and Finally
Plenty more info

& after reading the below information
2 people have turned away from scamsoil this week alone!
we can bring the posts back up to prove it!
your scamsoil guy keeps flooding the board to burry the posts as usual

...............................................

read your owners manual

your warranty can and will be void for not following the car/truck makers oils guidlines
if it says use API certified oils then hey guess what?

and if it says oil changes done no longer then 7500 miles then hey guess what?

Not matter what the oil maker claims!
and infact! if you check scamsoils own written guidlines! they say 25,000 miles or longer but yet
READ GOOD! they also tell you to follow the auto/truck makers guidelines!

why? EASY! cause when the dealer denies your warranty claim an you then go to scamsoil
they can Stand their arms crossed and shake their heads NO!!!!!
cause hey they have it in writting too!

i swear you guys buy into this scamsoil crap
like you was lemmings following him through a raging river!

they "the auto/truck maker" WILL NOT and DO NOT have to approve any warranty claims!
IF you DO NOT follow what is required for oil!
you were given everything in writing!

more proof needed? just ask

....................................

they have been misleading people for years!

From Motor Oil Myths and Facts:

"API Certification, Phosphorus & ZDDP
Never use a non-API certified synthetic oil (there are many of these on the market). The problem with the non-API certified synthetics is that they contain too much phosphorus (in the form of the additive ZDDP (Zinc Dialkyl Dithiophosphates)). The API has limited the amount of phosphorus because phosphorus shortens the life of the catalytic converter. These oils are fine for snowmobiles, motorcycles, and older cars that don't have a catalytic converter,
and the extra ZDDP does provide additional wear protection. Unfortunately, the marketers of
some the non-certified oils do not explicitly
and honestly state the reason for the lack of API certification.
You can check the status of API certification on the API web site.
Be certain to go not just by the manufacturer name but by the actual product as well. This is because a manufacturer will sometimes have both certified and
non-certified products. Suffice it to say that Mobil 1,
Royal Purple, Castrol, & Havoline all make synthetic oils that are API certified and
that can be purchased at auto parts stores and other retail outlets. Amsoil has one product line, XL-7500 that is API certified, but it's other lines contain too much ZDDP to be certified
and should not be used in vehicles with
catalytic converters. "

Once again I'm not for or against any oil but it sure looks like from reading all this (The Google Link is interesting) that Amsoil will clog your Catalytic converters due to the higher zinc level.

Mistergib · #36 (**permalink**) 05-21-2008, 07:36 PM

Yes, I did read that....it was instrumental in the
plan of attack that I posted above....thats why
I am going to the Royal Purple after I run the
"already paid for" Amsoil for 7500 miles....then I'm
not taking any chances.....I will be using the
Royal Purple from then on and change it every
7500 miles or before....

Did you read my earlier post on my plan of attack?

Squid · #37 (**permalink**) 05-21-2008, 08:18 PM

Guess I missed that post, sorry.

I was really shocked because I'd never seen that before about Amsoil. I'd always thought if I ever ran into a dealer locally I might give it a try just for my own benefit. This tells me that the only way to really know any more about any of the oils on the market is by an oil analysis because they all are a little misleading/ever changing. Just got to love marketing!

Mistergib · #38 (**permalink**) 05-21-2008, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Squid

Guess I missed that post, sorry.

I was really shocked because I'd never seen that before about Amsoil. I'd always thought if I ever ran into a dealer locally I might give it a try just for my own benefit. This tells me that the only way to really know any more about any of the oils on the market is by an oil analysis because they all are a little misleading/ever changing. Just got to love marketing!

Yep, you're right there...see Squid, you and I
usually on the same wave length....

Pescakl1 · #39 (**permalink**) 05-22-2008, 08:15 AM

So to sum up, ASL Amsoil 5W30 oil (API rated but not certified) is not that good for engines with catalyc converter and therefore should not be use (at least not for a long time) on the Rogue.

On the other hand, the XLF Amsoil 5w30 oil (part of the XL-7500 line?) is API certified and therefore can be use on the Rogue.

Am I right?

Do you know if the XLF Amsoil 5w30 is a full synthetic oil (group IV) or a 'false' synthetic oil (Group III)?
I noticed on the Amsoil website that they proudly say that the ASL oil is "100% synthetic motor oil" but for the XLF oil they only say "Extended Life synthetic motor oil", no 100% synthetic on this page.

They are all so vague that I become suspicious on everything now. Bad for business not to be 100% honest.

Mistergib · #40 (**permalink**) 05-22-2008, 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pescakl1

So to sum up, ASL Amsoil 5W30 oil (API rated but not certified) is not that good for engines with catalyc converter and therefore should not be use (at least not for a long time) on
the Rogue.

On the other hand, the XLF Amsoil 5w30 oil (part of the XL-7500 line?) is API certified and therefore can be use on the Rogue.

Am I right?

Do you know if the XLF Amsoil 5w30 is a full synthetic oil (group IV) or a 'false' synthetic oil (Group III)?

I noticed on the Amsoil website that they proudly
say that the ASL oil is "100% synthetic motor oil" but for the XLF oil they only say "Extended Life synthetic motor oil", no 100% synthetic on this page.

They are all so vague that I become suspicious on everything now. Bad for business not to be 100% honest.

Yep, thats certainly the what I think is being said??
Your summation is my summation...

Anymore, I don't really know what to believe about
Amsoil....thats why I was going with the Royal Purple
so I could quit guessing and assuming...just trying to
end the confusion...

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